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 Post subject: Ethanol
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:53 pm 
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I want to post stuff here on finding the best ways to create ethanol in the home safely.
I will post on how I am doing it exactly and would like others to help me out as well by posting resources as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:59 pm 
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how to build an ethanol still - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TS ... anol+still
How to Make an Ethanol Still | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4855943_make-ethanol-still.html
we sell ethanol stills designed to mass produce ethanol - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TS ... 60&bih=464

What are the Advantages and Disadvantages of Ethanol Fuel? http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-ad ... l-fuel.htm
Corn ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol

Ford Model T - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T

Remember Ethanol? It's Actually Bigger Than Ever - Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinema ... than-ever/

Pond-Powered Biofuels: Turning Algae into America's New Energy - Popular Mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... el/4213775

Ask the Experts: Where's All The Cellulosic Ethanol We've Been Promised? : TreeHugger http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-ene ... hanol.html

Etsy - DOs and DON'Ts http://www.etsy.com/help/article/483/

At Kansas Station, E15 Fuel Reaches the Masses - NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/12/busin ... wanted=all

China Seeks to Develop Biofuels Industry Despite Production Difficulties | Renewable Energy News Article http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea ... fficulties

Distillation Supplies and Alcohol Flavorings for Distilled Spirits http://store.homebrewheaven.com/distill ... s-c41.aspx

ETHANOL FUEL STILL http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/id42.html

we sell ethanol stills - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TS ... nol+stills

Moonshine Still | Alcohol Stills | MILE HI DISTILLING http://www.milehidistilling.com/

Copper Stills for Sale http://www.rainierdistillers.com/

DIY Ethanol: Startup E-Fuel to Sell Ethanol Kit — Cleantech News and Analysis http://gigaom.com/cleantech/diy-ethanol ... hanol-kit/

Ethanol FAQ http://www.beutilityfree.com/Fuel/ethanol%20FAQ


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 Post subject: sources of ethanol
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:01 pm 
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it is primarily plant based
sugar beet
sugar cane
corn
waste paper
grains like wheat or sorghum


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:07 am 
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Here in the Philippines we use 30% ethanol in fuel although the suppliers claim it is less, composite fuel tanks dissolve and leak, rubber hoses and O rings in the fuel systems prematurely fail. Output power is reduced resulting in more fuel being used per mile, this results in a greater output of CO2 (not a bad thing as plants breath it), CO which is toxic and other noxious gasses. The bio fuel is grown where once rice grew, this has resulted in a shortage of rice and the Philippines becoming a huge importer of rice, not only that but the price of rice has increased by 100% in the last few years as a consequence. This price increase has resulted in a higher number of beggars. The lower lubricity causes more rapid engine wear resulting in less efficient engines and higher maintenance costs. A varnish like substance forms inside the carburetor and blocks the jets if the vehicle is not used for a few months. The cost per mile in fuel is higher with the big oil companies bio fuels.

The mechanical problems can be solved with redesign but how long would it take to replace every vehicle on the planet even if everyone could afford to do it?

As I said CO2 isn't a problem but the other noxious gasses are and they are produced at a higher rate per mile than a vehicle running on gasoline. Bio diesels also have similar problems. Pyrolized diesels and gasoline made from recycled plastics have less problems as they are much closer to the original fuel but tight controls need to be used on the stock plastics to prevent toxins such as dioxin being created as not all plastic is suitable.

Bio fuels are not as green as governments would have you believe.

Diesel engines will run unmodified on warmed vegetable oils and have lower wear due to higher lubricity. While they do produce more CO2 which is greatly needed to increase crop production, they also produce more CO which is a problem. Power is down too.

I applaud anyone finding alternative fuels but it should not be produced at the expense of food for the poor and the people should be warned about their pitfalls.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
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Unfortunately I have to agree with mrbrown. using food for fuel is not a good alternative. It is definitely not free. The price also still high.

My father had ethanol refinery. Only 15% or something from the output can be used as fuel. The rest can be use to replace kerosene. But the production cost made the produce not too competitive.

Ethanol is alternative energy. But only good if food production is in surplus condition. Right now, most Indonesian food is imported because of lack of government support for farming, unlike the 2nd or 1st president.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:15 am 
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sucahyo wrote:
Unfortunately I have to agree with mrbrown. using food for fuel is not a good alternative. It is definitely not free. The price also still high.

My father had ethanol refinery. Only 15% or something from the output can be used as fuel. The rest can be use to replace kerosene. But the production cost made the produce not too competitive.

Ethanol is alternative energy. But only good if food production is in surplus condition. Right now, most Indonesian food is imported because of lack of government support for farming, unlike the 2nd or 1st president.



No i am going to have to disagree with you. Growing food all it takes is free energy from sunlight, space, rainwater which is also free, added water, and that is it. I seriously believe ethanol is a superior source of energy and better battery technology if you know what you are doing. It makes an immortal battery.

I am going to design my greenhouse to collect rainwater and snow to feed my plants naturally.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:18 am 
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I had purchased the ethanol still designs and how to build it instructions off journeytoforever.org, for around $40
If you would like me to share it with you, message me your email to send to, or i can make a torrent.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:11 am 
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I have to disagree with mbrownn that ethanol produces carbon monoxide. Ethanol is 100% clean energy.
C2H5OH(l) + 3 O2(g) =Heat=> 2 CO2(g) + 3 H2O(g)

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_b ... z21gsLxa4j

co2 is needed for plants to grow so it's a good thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
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http://ces.iisc.ernet.in/energy/HC27079 ... vol321.htm

Characteristic effects:Humans/mammals: The toxicity in humans and animals is caused by the extraordinary affinity of carbon monoxide for haemoglobin which is responsible for the oxygen transport (approx. 250 times greater affinity of carbon monoxide compared to oxygen [ULLMANN/R�MPP]). Intake is exclusively by way of inhalation. Carbon monoxide cannot be perceived on the basis of odour, colour, taste, irritation of the mucous membranes or other effects. Thus, poisoning due to town gas or vehicle emissions may take place (frequently suicide results).Acute poisoning takes the form of headaches, retching, muscular weakness, loss of consciousness, shortness of breath and finally death, depending on the concentration and time of exposure.
Plants: Carbon monoxide does not poison plants since it is rapidly oxidised to form carbon dioxide which is used for photosynthesis.

I have to disagree with mbrownn here.


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 Post subject: Re: Ethanol
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:20 am 
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sunrise07 wrote:
No i am going to have to disagree with you. Growing food all it takes is free energy from sunlight, space, rainwater which is also free, added water, and that is it.
You also need land.

In Indonesia, "tumbuhan jarak" (Jatropha curcas L., Euphorbiaceae) is popular as bio diesel.

However, the article bellow mention that the oxidation property can make engine wear off faster.
http://www.riaupos.co/berita.php?act=fu ... 980&kat=11

Other reference:
http://shintyagunadarma.blogspot.com/20 ... bahan.html
http://majalahenergi.com/forum/energi-b ... -biodiesel

In English:
http://www.thebioenergysite.com/article ... ossil-fuel
http://betuco.be/agroforestry/Jatropha% ... diesel.pdf
https://perswww.kuleuven.be/~u0053809/W ... POSTER.pdf
http://ijopaasat.in/yahoo_site_admin/as ... 150752.pdf


The final price is higher than fossil based diesel fuel.


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