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 Post subject: Re: Frustration is in the details for beginners
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:41 am 
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I keep seeing that similar answer, but I don't understand. How do I identify what you're talking about? Unwinding the whole thing?

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there aare 4 wires on the stator, yes
well you would only be able to unwind 2 of them they are the end of the coil wrap and the other two would be the start of the wrap as they were connected to 2 posts then wraped in a bifiller (guess) configuration,
clock wize counterclock wize clock wize counterclockwize then both wire's finished on a post.(that you would seperate). (mabye not always the case although you get the idea right)


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 Post subject: Re: Frustration is in the details for beginners
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So based on the picture, are you able to identify the start of the coil wrap? And if so, how?


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As I said if you unpost all the wires. (although I would try unwinding the two wires that you have to seperate as they have always been the end of wrap for me)

Then try to unwind the wires two will unwind and two won't as they have been the start and have the wire wrapped around them.

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excuse the roughness its the undrstanding you need so the cross or stator is wound it has to start from somewhere and en d somewhere if it bifillar then two wires will be start and two the end(able to unwrap/unwind)
and the inside wires are the negative and the outside are the +.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:15 am 
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Thanks for your help. I will finish this somehow. Maybe someone can answer my above question and it will start to fall into place more.
Mbrownn helped guide me through a trial and error method. I guess that's what I'll have to follow.
Oh, that's what you meant when you said "(guess)". I see now.
What you're saying will make sense to me eventually, I'm sure. And I appreciate your help.
You know, I've just been at this non-stop for a week.

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drawing you a better pic plz wait


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 Post subject: Re: Frustration is in the details for beginners
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So if you can imagine that the wire has to start somewhere and it is wrapped with two wires side by side.
and after they have been wrapped cw,ccw,cw,ccw then the wire must end that is the wend of wrap those are the wires you can unwind.
Mabye you need to get a fan you don't like and just try and start unwinding the wires, only two should start unwinding until you have unwrapped the four wraps to very start of the wraps.

END OF WRAPS ARE +
START OF WRAOS ARE -

DOES THIS HELP PLEASE TRY THE ABOVE AND IT SHOULD EXPLAIN ITSELF.

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I think I'm getting what you're saying. Obviously, you are at a place of full understanding on the subject and I'm at a place of partial concept understanding. Remind me never to bring up the topic of how far a swallow could carry a coconut. :D

See, my solder iron has been running this whole time and I'm just trying to do the steps layed out in the videos. But I guess I can't just get one working before studying everything.

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So I got my new pole created, got the coil wire wrapped and soldered on it, got the coil wire back on what was the "common" pole. Tested and got 53 ohms between each of the pairs, which I think is supposed to be good. Now, which is plus and minus, I'll look over all the info and see if I can put together the clues.
SO based on everything I've seen, there's no way of knowing for sure, without unwrapping everything, which is positive and negative. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I may be slow. I was trying to figure this one question out and can't get it. I don't know if there's maybe something I'm missing in all the information on internals of coil windings, etc.

I'm so far beyond my original disbelief that the step-by-step video wasn't giving me what I needed. My brain is really fried lately. I'm going to need a couple days to recover after whenever I do get one of these working. I just need to see it. I need to know if there is ambient energy that can be tapped into. And the only way I know is to do it. This is, to me, what aliens were to Agent Mulder on X-Files if that makes any sense. I need to know. I want to believe. The particulars are obstacles until I can prove to myself it's real. After I know, you'll never get rid of me and I will be a learning machine. I hope to return the help I've gotten here as well.

But I think you'll understand my sole obsession at the moment is getting the #$#@$#@ thing working.

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