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 Post subject: Radiant charger will damage the battery in a different way
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:57 am 
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If you want to exclusively use radiant charger, be aware that it may make the battery to refuse normal charging. Also some other problem, like cold boiling. Cold boil is usually called gassing in other field. Gassing is BAD for the battery.

Fast charging is discourage not only because of heating but also gassing. Gassing occur more if the charging voltage / current is higher. Radiant produce gassing faster than normal charger. But this is maybe just indication that radiant charge the battery faster too.

Here is a post from elias who experience the single diode charging problem:
http://www.energeticforum.com/john-bedi ... ology.html
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I have been building SSGs and charging batteries for about two years, and the problem I am facing now is the fact that it seems that although the batteries deliver energy more than usual, the voltage level of the batteries charged with Bedini charger decreases under load significantly making devices such as mp3 players, not being able to function.

Don't get me wrong, the sitting voltage is fine, but when It is put under load the voltage level goes down so much that the mp3 player says low battery, but I know that it can deliver good amount of energy, but the mp3 player thinks the voltage level is what says the amount of energy in the battery is.

The batteries are 1.2v AAA cells for my wife's mp3player, they worked well before charging with the Bedini Charger. I have also got this problem with my philishave.The battery delivers more current than before I can verify it, but the voltage goes down, when driving loads, and the device "thinks" that the battery is out. I have seen this effect in Bedini's videos also, his batteries have good amount of energy in them, but the voltage drop is more when driving loads, I wonder.


My comment on that post is before I use partial FWBR. After I use partial FWBR, my son's nicad battery should last for years even if he use it often, if not because of my mistake of overcharging the battery to literally boil it. I still have some working nicad from few years ago.

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mrbrown solution is to use cap to prevent battery's sickness:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... hines.html
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I swap the batteries round all the time with no problem at all on the SSG circuit. You can also do it with the SG cap pulsed circuit and I have been doing this for 4 years, but if you use the SG circuit without the caps and charge the battery directly, the battery changes to use negative energy.

This battery will no longer charge normally and appears shorted when you try.

I was now using a 24v dc supply transformer to power the fan.

When measured by powering a 12v 21w bulb, the 4ah battery lasted 2 hours after recovery. After the charge from the fan it lasted 3 hours. Wow. I recharged it again and placed it back on the motorcycle, it died the same day.

I placed it on a conventional charger and the battery drew 2A, got hot and boiled but would not charge. I placed it on my SSG wired fan and again it would not charge. I then put it on my 7 filar fan and it charged.

The next day I put it back on the motorcycle and it died again but I noticed the battery was hot and had lost a lot of electrolyte. I topped the battery up and recharged it on the 7 filar fan overnight. When I got up the fan was hot and had stopped, the battery was not charged, hot and full of white crystals. The fan was deformed because of the heat but not shorted and the Bedini circuit and bridge rectifier were fine.

I gave up on the 7 fillar fan.

After learning a lot more over the years reading everything I could on Bedini I learned that my output on this 7 filar fan was negative energy and also all the advantages and disadvantages of this form of energy. Bedini’s explanation of what it could do fitted my experience.


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... nergy.html
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With both types the output is measured as less than the input, but when connected to a charging battery the positive radiant usually gives a near 1 to 1 charge rate The negative seams to do something similar but when the battery is discharged on resistive loads the battery seems to have greatly increased capacity. The battery continues to charge after it is disconnected from the charger for some time. The battery has greater self recovery. There are big problems with the negative energy, It tends to crystallize the battery rendering it useless. The battery will no longer charge on a normal charger and appears shorted even before it crystallizes. It is difficult to reverse this negative charging effect.




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http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... volts.html
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The most amazing find was to my Li-ion 1400 mAh 3.7v cell phone battery. My phone was desperate for a charge so I though, hey why not. I took the battery out of the phone and put it into the circuit. To my amazement after only 30 mins, and at only about 1 watt of input power my phones battery went from 3.5 volts to 4.2 volts (a full charge) and was room temperature if not a little colder. My normal charger takes about 2 hours to fully charge the phone and it is boiling hot afterwords. But there was a downside to this, upon putting the battery back into the phone, it informed me that the battery I was using was a non supported battery, which means I’m going to Verizon tomorrow and complaining


gmeat:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... -most.html
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Hi Elias,

Thx for the reply,I'm not sure what you mean by your comment regarding #20 wire.Are you saying that it does'nt work that well for you.Also,What is the capability of your SSG with regard to charging a secondary battery.My particular setup seems to get a max of 13 volts on a secondary battery using my original coil as compared to about 12.5 with the #18 guage wire.I'm kinda disapointed with the #18 wire.Also I have noticed recently that my batteries dont accept a normal charger anymore and I'm not sure what to make of this, But I do have a 6 battery arrangement that I keep swapping batteries in and out but I'm not sure how far this will take me lol.


-Gary A



lamare:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... h-133.html
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And if this is what really happens, then you should see changes in the performance of your batteries, until the point where a stable "Bedini" dielectric layer has been formed. And at that point, the performanc of your batteries with normal chargers should also be much less. Bedini says that "conditioned" batteries can hardly be charged with a normal charger.



John Bedini himself:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... ch-23.html
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It's ok to not run the load, what you may find is after the battery receives the back charge for a few hours, if you make the cap's smaller you can charge at a high frequency then you will find the radiant on top of the wire, think Tesla here about his shunts with the light bulbs. Then take the battery out and try to charge with a normal charger, it may be very hard to charge. Peter and I found a change taking place in the battery. Tom Bearden found out the hard way about when he made an appointment to see Bill's charger, the battery was dead but kept working the machine. However the transistors were Old hokey puck transistors Germanium PNP's I just made the circuit using NPN's because I could not find the 108's. The machine produces a Radiant current on the wires at high frequency it can be used to get power from, Tesla, Tesla.
John B


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... ch-17.html
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The three battery system is just a test to show the switching. So here see if you can get this circuit to work and charge it's own battery. The load must be chosen correctly so the battery is in a state of constant charge. The famous Bill and Ray Scalar charger. Charger is the one I talked about on KABC with Bill Jenkins. Drive it with a flip flop oscillator you can control the speed. Give this a try MR. Jones, I have one of these running at work. If your not careful it will destroy your battery. Also if you take this battery out of the system it will be real hard to charge with a normal charger.


So, this is a real problem for radiant charging. You can solve this with cap, but I found partial FWBR work better for me.


Here is the overall conclusion of mine:
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Single diode:
- battery become capacitor
- voltage without output current
- small starting output current
- high standby voltage
- broken batter

cap in parallel:
- kill the radiant / convert to normal electricity
- battery would still get heated up

my solution:
- battery stays cool
- battery can still be charged with normal charger



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 Post subject: Re: Radiant charger will damage the battery in a different w
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This video at 20 minutes explain how Bedini commercial charger is now use capacitive discharge method because coil collapse current method make the battery incompatible with normal commercial charger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7iA0iXuB4


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 Post subject: Re: Radiant charger will damage the battery in a different w
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It would be very nice to have some opinions and comments here about this charger:

http://screwdecaf.cx/dp2.html


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 Post subject: Re: Radiant charger will damage the battery in a different w
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I dont know much about this charger, maybe sucahyo will comment.


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