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 Post subject: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:18 pm 
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Why are all battery cell voltages limited to between 1.5 and 2 volts?
A lithium cells can be 3 volts or more.

Size of the cell appears to not effect this limitation.
A single cell watch battery has about same voltage as
a much larger cell in car battery. Why?

Why can not a single cell exceed these limits?


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:02 am 
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I have no idea why this is, maybe its to do with the chemistry.

surface area is what gives the amps


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:07 am 
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I did a little research. it is possible to increase the voltage by increasing acidity in lead acid batteries.

the problem is that the acid will dissolve the plates making it a use once and throw away battery. so it is the chemistry.


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:26 am 
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"so it is the chemistry", well, if you want a bigger bang
you add more gun power to your chemistry mix ..

More would/should create more, but isn't creating more.
More surface area for chemistry reaction isn't creating more voltage. A 3 foot battery or a 1/4 inch battery are the same voltage.. And I'm wondering why?

Say you are using a non-acid based battery ..
you are still limited.

One would think more would create more, but it doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:55 pm 
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Hi. I could be completely wrong here...
I think cell volts are based on plate material potential difference, per the
"Electromotive Series
The electrode potential of a material according to decreasing tendency to release electrons with hydrogen as zero."
So, the plate size shouldn't affect voltage. For example, aluminum is a +1.67v on the chart and copper -.47v, so cell voltage with these two materials should yield about 2v if I remember this correctly... again, I could be wrong.
p.s. these principles also work without electrolyte, if the metals are in tight physical contact, from what I've read. 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:32 pm 
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bigsupersquid and mbrownn,
ah, it seems you are both right.
I've used that chart before.
I hated chemistry, so it stands to reason I wouldn't want the answer to be that one ... grumble.

Electromotive Series
http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/sou ... ource.html

I still don't like it one bit though :cry: !!!


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 Post subject: Re: What is limiting cell voltage?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:19 pm 
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If remember right, Silver and iron give a 7 volt differential.
That is from the Electrinium Battery video. Other charts of the same values
are likely found under something called "Valence" values.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:38 pm 
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CHART

Electromotive Series
Aluminium 1.67 V
Antimony -0.1 V
Arsenic -0.3 V
Barium 2.9 V
Beryllium 1.7 V
Bismuth -0.226 V
Brass -0.47 V
Bromine -1.06 V
Bronze -0.47 V
Cadmium 0.4 V
Caesium 3.02 V
Calcium 2.87 V
Chlorine -1.36 V
Chromium 0.71 V
Cobalt 0.28 V
Copper -0.47 V
Fluorine -3.03 V
Gallium 0.5 V
Gold -1.42 V
Hydrogen 0 V
Indium 0.336 V
Iodine -0.53 V
Iron 0.44 V
Lanthanum 2.37 V
Lead 0.13 V
Lithium 3.02 V
Magnesium 2.4 V
Manganese 1.05 V
Mercury Hg -0.85 V
Monel -0.47 V
Nickel 0.25 V
Oxygen -0.397 V
Palladium -0.83 V
Platinum -1.2 V
Polonium -0.4 V
Potassium 2.92 V
Rubidium 2.99 V
Silicon -0.26 V
Silver -0.8 V
Sodium 2.71 V
Stainless Steel -0.09 V
Steel 0.45 V
Strontium 2.89 V
Sulphur 0.51 V
Tellurium 0.827 V
Thallium 0.33 V
Tin 0.14 V
Uranium 1.4 V
Water -1.23 V
Zinc 0.76 V

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