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 Post subject: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:28 pm 
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I have been studying John Bedini's work for a few years now and comparing it with Tesla. There are a lot of things that are the same and some different.

We use a bifilar coil in our motor but we do not use it in the way Tesla did to get the advantages of bifilar winding. That is to connect the output of the first winding to the input of the second. John Bedini didn't do this either on his school girl motor. John chose to use up to seven windings in his pulsing coils but as far as I know never said to loop them back on one another to improve performance.

Let us think about this. what would happen if we wound the coils with many filaments and wired them like Tesla?

One experiment I am working on is taking the Imhotep Bedini fan and winding the first two segments like Imhotep suggests. Bifilar wound clockwise and then anticlockwise. This will be wired as before to produce a pulse motor and hopefully there will be enough power to make it spin. If not we can push more volts into it to make it spin.

The next two segments will also be wound clockwise then anticlockwise but this time with smaller wire and wound multifilar. The end of the first filament will be connected to the beginning of the second and the end of the second will be connected to the beginning of the third and so on. This will result in a single multi filar wound coil with one input and one output, Tesla style.

The two ends of this coil will then go to a bridge rectifier and the output of that to a small high voltage electrolytic capacitor. so that as the motor spins it will charge the capacitor to a high voltage.

Using a switch this voltage could be pulsed back to the source battery periodically at a time when it is at rest.

The result would be that the source battery would receive a small periodic pulse charge during the running of the motor. That is, we would be feeding some of the magnetic energy back to the source. Even at 50% efficiency this would mean that we would achieve our measurable over unity in the charging battery compared to the source battery.

If you look at John Bedini's videos and read his notes you will see that he has done this. I am sure that others that have replicated his work have done it too.


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 Post subject: Re: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:45 pm 
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Very informative,,thanks! Now I have an isea I have running through my brain eversince I heard of Chevys "VOLT" and of course that impressive "TESLA" produced in California. On occassion I have had in the past the misfortune of having to replace my own brake padds,"nasty though not a difficult job" on some model the rotor had in its casting cooling finns running around the edge of the rotor suppose one were to place some neodyme magnets evenly spaced too retain the balance into those finns with epoxy then build from sheetmetal and thin plastic sheets sandwiched together in lenght suitable for bendiing to the radius of the rotor a core of many layers creating a sort of capacitor and core to wind enameled copper on in stages. then with the precision of a watchmaker, mount this through a home made fixture to dust protector incorperated with all models of vehicals and those that are missing creat one. Do this too all four wheels on the vehical and place some gelcells in the trunk and wholla! you have some power source to remove yourself from the grid for a few hours when you arrive home in your garage and then when WE get really smart we replace the big guzzler with a briggs and straton to suppliment the charge through a onboard generator and put in a electric Motor with a commercially available cyntrificul variable belt pully assembly to replace the transmission and link that up with drive axle. JUST A THOUGHT, but doable


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 Post subject: Re: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:35 am 
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Milo, everything U mentioned is commonly available technology but rarely used by the NEW Big 3 if ever... (Ford, Toyota and Honda)
but it does work and has been done separately on occasion. Chevy Volt claims 230 MPG but that is just the start if one uses
regenerative braking like you mention, and why not use a Bedini-Style generator instead of a normal generator for higher
charge efficiencies? Also, add a GEET to that Briggs generator (or a Honda suitcase generator for that matter!) for even higher
conventional charge efficiency from the prime mover like a Chevy Volt uses... Go all out or don't go at all!

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 Post subject: Re: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:36 pm 
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I have just completed the motor, The initial findings are interesting

The fan did not have enough power to run on 12 or 24 volts so I removed the fan blades. It now runs at 1000 RPM on 12 volts

It pulses at 10KHz at 50% duty cycle and is able to De-sulfate batteries. The standard fan i have runs at 6KHz and 450 RPM

Total amperage input is up due to the higher frequency

The primary coil is bifilar as usual using 27 gauge wire. The recovery coil is quadrafilar giving about 4.2volts on each stage using 30 gauge wire. I didnt count the turns but just wound the segments until full (I lost count).

If I short any of the windings on the generator coil it is enough to slow the motor until it stops however when it is connected in series and run through a rectifier there is little drop in speed when it is connected to a capacitor or battery.

It does charge a battery slowly

looking at the signal on the scope the output is ac to the rectifier but with spikes similar to the radiant on every second crest of the wave. These spikes almost disappear when the power coil is connected to a battery. I don't know if the spikes are radient or just a transformer effect.

once i have some batteries ready i will do a cop test but it may be a while before i have them up to scratch.


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 Post subject: Re: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:44 pm 
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Hi Mr Brown

I do not understand what have you got with making a 4-filiar recovery coil, and then connect the 4 coils in series (Im not sure if this is what you did). ??

Is not the same as have a recovery coil (1-filiar) and 4 times longer (so 4 times more impedance) ???

I think the point in have multifiliar windings is to be able to sift the impedance of the coil in the two stages of operation... I mean:

1st stage. "Driving the primary coil" Here we will like a big impedance so there will be less current requirements from the coil. less consumption.

2nd stage. "Recovering the BEMF spikes" Here the best is have a smaller impedance, (the complex conjugate of the recharging battery, they say, but I dont fully understand how to calculate the impedance of a battery...???).

So I really think you will have better charging if you connect the 4-filiar windings in parallel, so (with the same power) the impedance of the recovery coil will decrease and the energy will be better sent to the charging battery.


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 Post subject: Re: Multi Fillar windings
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:28 am 
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The recovery coil is 4 filar wound, each filament does not give enough voltage to be useful, but if connected in series they do. There are advantages to winding a coil this way when compared to a single winding as stated in Tesla's patent.

The power coil is wound bifilar and wired as normal for a Bedini fan.

The idea of the recovery coil is just to act as a generator however because it is wound on the same metal stator as the power coil there is some interaction between the coils.

The purpose of this is to have a Bedini fan with a built in generator coil that can be fed back to the source battery. By doing this we should be able to extend the running time of the source battery and see an overall over unity in the system and not just in the charging battery. That is useful over-unity

For example if we could double the running time of the source battery we could charge two batteries from one source A cop of 2

My initial tests show it will be less than that, probably around COP of 1.2

If I am able to do this, it will be conclusive proof that their is extra energy in the system and that it must be coming from the environment.


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