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 Post subject: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:04 am 
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Can be found at radio shack
Catalog number 273-0238

This fan has gigantic coils! and stator! Large and easy to get apart. Grip the stator gently start twisting continue until the assembly comes off. they use a rubbery black glue. It all comes apart really easy. Has great spikes extremely large. Extremely large assembly no more tiny wires or tiny stators. Its made of cast alum frame. Extremely well built. Lots of air output. Quite expensive, it cost about 19.99 at radio shack. But if you want one that is really easy to do this is the one to get, and it will last forever. They even include the schematic for the original circuit on the back of the carton, For anybody who wants to study the original circuits. I have powered it from 6 volts to 38 volts. At 38 volts the spikes were wild, through the roof. It will probably de-sulfate very quickly at that voltage. I will be using this one in my combination Imhotep IROL fan emergency combination. Which I will be revealing shortly.

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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:00 pm 
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**~Imhotep~** wrote:
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Can be found at radio shack
Catalog number 273-0238

This fan has gigantic coils! and stator! Large and easy to get apart. Grip the stator gently start twisting continue until the assembly comes off. they use a rubbery black glue. It all comes apart really easy. Has great spikes extremely large. Extremely large assembly no more tiny wires or tiny stators. Its made of cast alum frame. Extremely well built. Lots of air output. Quite expensive, it cost about 19.99 at radio shack. But if you want one that is really easy to do this is the one to get, and it will last forever. They even include the schematic for the original circuit on the back of the carton, For anybody who wants to study the original circuits. I have powered it from 6 volts to 38 volts. At 38 volts the spikes were wild, through the roof. It will probably de-sulfate very quickly at that voltage. I will be using this one in my combination Imhotep IROL fan emergency combination. Which I will be revealing shortly.



Im using a similar fan of Japanese manufacture, check out the post on scope readings. at 36v my neon glows bright violet blue when not loaded but the transistor gets hot fast so be careful. i would love to here what your doing with it?

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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:30 am 
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mbrownn wrote:
Im using a similar fan of Japanese manufacture, check out the post on scope readings. at 36v my neon glows bright violet blue when not loaded but the transistor gets hot fast so be careful. i would love to here what your doing with it?
Mick


@Imhotep:
This raises a big question I've had for a long time about FE designs in general,
(Bedini SSG, fans, IRO, etc)
How does one scale these up? I can get used parts cheap or free on tearouts,
and I have lots of parts for various devices but many are oversized.
I just got a 120V relay (DPDT) that has huge potential, I'm thinking
of a scaled up IRO Light setup pulsing an ignition coil possibly...

Any help on selecting matching "bigger" components (like transistors)
would be great!

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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:34 pm 
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Thats a good question.

I just experiment by winding bigger gauge wire , bifilar style, when I've burned out the original windings. It does seam to work a little better if i keep the trigger winding a gauge or two smaller than the pulsed wire as in i don't burn out transistors as fast.

I tried higher voltage coils (240v) but find they don't perform as well, maybe this is because the impedance is higher unless i use higher voltage. This is a problem when you look for a transistor to cope with it. You could use a commutator but then the worry is, will it arc inside the battery?

Bedini used multiple coils, and even then used a commutator.

I believe you need a bigger battery too to absorb the spikes from bigger coils. I destroyed all my gel type batteries using my fan on 24v input. Ordinary lead acid were fine in the same conditions.

On a scaled up IRO, i have used an arc welding transformer, pulsed with 36v, huge spikes and then welded contacts on the relay (pulse the output coil and leave the input coil open circuit). This would need a big commutator to work properly.

Now I've gone full circle and decided that i will have to wind my own coils and build something similar to what Bedini did.

Size isn't everything, the Radioshack fan should work well on motorcycle batteries but may be a little slow on car or truck batteries.

When a battery becomes conditioned to the type of charge you find it accepts the charge faster.

If you read all Bedini's works there are lots of other things to do with your fan, like recovering some of the energy in the rotating magnetic field. I think this is part of the key to getting a high COP.

Check out my new post Increasing COP.

Mick


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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:15 pm 
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Thx Mick, that actually helps quite a bit, as far as the fans, I have 3 or 4 of similar size
and construction to this one pictured here... IMO the IRO is probably the most efficient
(pulses/sec) and simplest construction, so I'll stay with that for the time being. Good
points about battery arcing and such, plus I'll check that post!

Thanks again!

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 Post subject: Cheap fan source in Canada
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Hi all,
Thanks to Imhotep and Bedini for sharing this brilliant gizmo. I just finished my second fan (first worked but not well) replication and it works great! For any one in Canada I found that the Princess Auto in Whitby has 12v .25 amp fans, slightly bigger than the ones in most computer power suppies for $1.99 :P (grabbed several). It has metal bearings and runs much more quitely than the first replication, thought the stator was difficult to remove. They also had a much larger 1.1 amp 24 volt German made brushless for 19.99. Will post results from that one when I get around to it. They have stores all over the place, but you might want to call first, they have a rotating selection of odd stuff.
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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:08 am 
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Hi All',

Got this SUNON_DP201A fan (two of them...) and realize that it is fundamentally different from your recommended fan - only two 'coils' ... :
http://www.virtualworks.dk/energy/DSC_55112.jpg
http://www.virtualworks.dk/energy/DSC_55172.jpg
http://www.virtualworks.dk/energy/DSC_55182.jpg
http://www.virtualworks.dk/energy/DSC_55092.jpg

Is there any reason to continue with this type?

Also - Imhotep stated in inspiring YouTubeVids': "Free Energy Step By Step ..." sounds to me that there should be some 'Free Energy' to be found :) - but when I read and read and read in forums it sounds more like 'charge batteries or caps - minor desulfation of batteries´ the 'Free Energy' disapeared'!??? ...

WTF - sorry - but Imhotep', should you not leave out the 'Free Energy'-label and stick to the battery-hobby-label until you can show us some Free Energy?

Best - johnekroll


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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:53 pm 
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johnekroll,

Your definition of free energy may differ somewhat from the others here. In the world we live in today the term "free" usually means you do nothing and get something. Im sorry, but this is a reflection of how lazy and complacent we have become. NOTHING is free if you are to take a look at the bigger picture. You say "air is free," I say you need fuel for your body to run your lungs. YES the air we breathe IS free, in a sense that you do nothing yet it is there for the taking. (Infact you do do something, we all do, we pollute it to buggery, yet it is still there).

It is the same with energy. It is all free. When was the last time you had to pay tax on potential difference? Now, you must do some work to capture or utilize potential difference, the point here is this. When done correctly incredible efficiencies are possible. Ones that make you rewrite your understanding of energy as you know it. Its been hidden for a long time, the SG circuit is one simple way in which you can satisfy your curiosity in regards to this tech.

Tell me this. When current in the inductor is interrupted at the correct time in the correct way, a transient spike appears, sometimes over 50 times higher in voltage than the original input. Where does this spike come from??????? And what did you do to get it. Conventionally it is shorted out, or disposed of. Wasted.

Now if someone is silly enough to throw something of value out into the tip, and you stumble along and pick it up for your own use, is that not free? Depends on your definition of free I guess. The pessimist would say, "but I have to pick it up and take it home!" Well if you cant do a little work for a remarkable pay off then you should just go back to bed I reckon.

None of this stuff is going to jump out and "perpetually run indefinately" for anyone on the first try. Or the second. Or third. It could take a lifetime of study and testing for some. It will challenge your ideas and notions of EVERYTHING around you, it has the potential to change your life for the better. But it isnt easy, or free. Freely given though....John and Imhotep never charged you for that part. ;)

All power comes from the One and returns to the One. What it does on its journey is up to you.


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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Well said Ren,
How are ya my good man - ive got something for you - gotta wait a few weeks though mate.
i think you will like it.

FWIW (for what its worth) - Simply put, Free Energy is a coined term initially derived from the notion that you dont pay your money or work for someone else to provide you with Power (gas, electricity, etc).

Quite a few other definitions were misgiven and complicated over time by the "Perpetual Motion" play on words and contradicting defintions.

My Advise to anyonoe - stay sober minded and keep it simply sweet - dont get caught up in such thoughts or discussions of useless banter. Realize the true perception of what is really being considered!

eg: I have a magnet rotor and a magnet stator, nothing else, and it spins freely, hook up an induction coil then Walla! I get electricity! - I dont pay for it - it is Free!

Is this really FREE? - of course not - but I dont pay someone else amazing amounts of money and labor - however, i would pay for magnets and wire and electronics to mediate its usage amidst various electronics and vehicles.

it would be far more cost effective and efficient for everyday needs than currently offered.

Varieties of coined terms could be Magnetic Energy Generator, or a Magnetic Light and Energy Tansmitter/Reciever :idea: , or a Field Flux Magnetic Light Inducer, or a Magnet Battery, or even Free Energy, etc! .... It Doesnt Really Matter ... Always always remember ...

As the notorious "V" stated
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It is the Perspective
- saving money, labor, independance of external dependacy to live and function, portability and personal self sustaining usefulness being stressed!!! - is it not?

Nothing works without nothing - there must be vibration,light,motion, strain, desire,etc to manifest any conditions existance and to utilize it!

As for techinical awarness, one could say that the magnet setup provides the conditions of an unbalanced system continuously seeking balance (chasing the dragon) via certain motive tensions, to utilize it as both a source input output.

jeeze, i write to much - lol - thanks for the eye strain gang - ciao for now

FWIW,
Derrick


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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Fan to use for conversion
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Ren and Imhotep,

Do pardon my hothead' :oops: - 'OverUnity materialized _ in my dreams' - well...

Thanks for your free inspired answer Ren ;) - Yes I do understand that there is SO MUCH MORE to be discovered, experiansed, loved ...

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"When current in the inductor is interrupted at the correct time in the correct way, a transient spike appears, sometimes over 50 times higher in voltage than the original input. Where does this spike come from???????"

I am sure it fits beautifully in this beautiful 'Garrett Lisi: A beautiful new theory of everything' http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/garr ... thing.html ... ;)

You may invite Garrett Lisi to the forum :D
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And for the fan-question - any feedback on thatone? :)

best - J


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