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 Post subject: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:34 am 
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To all "out there";

First time posting here.

I came across this diagram a while ago. I believe it to be in a similar vein to the IRO.

I can't find any reference to it on Stephan's overunity.com site however.

Any thoughts?

God bless.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:47 pm 
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MangPut wrote:
To all "out there";

First time posting here.

I came across this diagram a while ago. I believe it to be in a similar vein to the IRO.

I can't find any reference to it on Stephan's overunity.com site however.

Any thoughts?

God bless.


Dude, stay tuned! This is going to be the main thrust of my research, I have lots of components and
it looks like (so far) that using a dedicated "earth ground" may help output. See this link too:

aromaz-on-energeticforum-t73.html

I'm trying to work up a system that can light a whole building even if it is not "free energy"...

Rob

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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
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Looks promising. But I think the switch mechanism and heat generated by coil would prevent it from having high COP. Unless maybe if the coil is Tesla flat spiral coil or similar that do not produce heat.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
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sucahyo wrote:
Looks promising. But I think the switch mechanism and heat generated by coil would prevent it from having high COP.
Unless maybe if the coil is Tesla flat spiral coil* or similar that do not produce heat.


Is this * the same as a "pancake coil"?

Thx sucahyo!

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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:24 am 
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JustAnElectrician wrote:
MangPut wrote:
To all "out there";

First time posting here.

I came across this diagram a while ago. I believe it to be in a similar vein to the IRO.

I can't find any reference to it on Stephan's overunity.com site however.

Any thoughts?

God bless.


Dude, stay tuned! This is going to be the main thrust of my research, I have lots of components and
it looks like (so far) that using a dedicated "earth ground" may help output. See this link too:

aromaz-on-energeticforum-t73.html

I'm trying to work up a system that can light a whole building even if it is not "free energy"...

Rob

MangPut, Yes, that looks about like the IRO, but the image is lacking some details .

A CFL has 4 wires and 2 pairs, left and right. A single wire HV connection is using
one of those pairs.
Rob, if you have a bulb that is lighting via a HV to a single wire, almost anything touching the
other unconnected wire causes the bulb brightness to increase.
Try it out for yourself. Try a Carrot, your finger, an Orange or any wire unconnected and ungrounded to anything else ..
All will increase the brightness of the bulb.
Fold up some paper to make a gripper to hold a carrot so your flesh is not touching the carrot.
Touch the carrot to the CFL wire .. the bulb gets brighter.
Why? My idea about that is the HV in the bulb needs a means of getting out.. you have increase the
"AREA" in which the HV can be released out of the bulb.
I've documented this on energeticforum, search for the word orange.
I'm not saying the earth ground does nothing for the circuit.
I'm only saying it is not required to increase the bulb brightness.

These effects are harder to observe if you are pushing tons of source volts into
the circuit. Backing off the source to say 6 or 12 volts makes it easier to
view what I've spoken about, due to the bulb is dimmer and easier to observe
the changes in it's brightness.

Cheers.
Randy


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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
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That is interesting randy. Would a battery work as "ground" too?

JustAnElectrician wrote:
sucahyo wrote:
Looks promising. But I think the switch mechanism and heat generated by coil would prevent it from having high COP.
Unless maybe if the coil is Tesla flat spiral coil* or similar that do not produce heat.


Is this * the same as a "pancake coil"?

Thx sucahyo!
Yes. It said to have cooling feature. Tesla has patent for superconductor using precooled pancake coil .


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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
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sucahyo wrote:
That is interesting randy. Would a battery work as "ground" too?
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I wouldn't know. The point to remember is the relationship between the "release" of HV
in the bulb to make it brighter is not depended upon an earth ground or a "ground".
It seems to be related to surface area of whatever is attached to the out-flowing wire.
It works by a different mechanism. It does not require a "ground".
I'm not saying all circuits :?: . The one using 2 2n2222, ignition coil and CFL does not
require a GROUNDing wire .. just an outlet wire, Fruit or vegetable of your choice .. :lol:

That isn't to say a non-passive out-flowing wire would not work better.
Non-Passive? meaning it causes flux, flex, variations, pulses, whatever to happen
within the HV in the bulb as it is trying to get out .. IE: a Battery is or can be non-passive.
Many people have spoken about the battery as being not a non-passive source of volts into
a circuit but an active part of the circuit. Following that line of thinking would mean the same
volts coming from different types of batteries might not create the same effect or circuit function.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephan Hartmann's "spark gap fluorescent lamp driver"
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ok. I just replicate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlIEQ86v8g

Not show in the video:
- grounding it to another coil make it a bit brighter
- grounding it to battery make it a bit brighter

rank of grounding:
to other secondary part >>>> to circuit >> my body >> battery > another coil > not grounded

It is interesting that lighting with one wire do not add amp draw. In my circuit closing the secondary part add double of them.


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guys, I noticed that most F.E folks cite "skin effect" like it is a universal phenomena, but it is more pronounced with
higher frequency. Most of my IRO's operate at a freq. which is high enough to cause "skin effect" so a tubular "triad" ground would likely
give a greater effect than a normal earth ground with 1 grounding rod. I installed a high frequency ground once years ago
that used COPPER TUBING (skin effect!) and 3 ground rods in an equilateral triangle, fairly small (maybe 20 feet on a side)
but I forget the exact measurement. I'm sure it is availabe on the web, I have a chart of AWG sizes saved in bookmark that
lists the maximum Hz for 100% penetration on a given AWG wire size. High frequency signals tend to stay on the surface
of a conductor, and I have measured my 24V IRO oscillating at 10KHz!!! Clearly needing a larger (or tubular) conductor
than the skinny jumper wires most of us use for maximum transmission of our outputs. I have an even better idea
of how to deal with this phenomena, but it's an open-source deal, please contact me Sterling Allen!!! :ugeek:

Rob

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