Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ

We all see the problems of not being able to loop back the power from the output to the input but if we connect two fans together we can.

What we need to do is have two identical fans with two batteries. Fan (a) can use Battery (a) as a source battery and charge battery (b). Fan (b) can use Battery (b) as a source battery and charge battery (a). Even if there is no over unity, our running time for the fans will be increased many times.

The problem of charging and discharging at the same time is eliminated by mechanically connecting the rotors of the fans together 90 degrees out of phase. This will ensure that when batteries are in use by fan (a) they are not in use by fan (b) and vice versa.

Any over unity or negative resistance is in the batteries and not in the fans. For most of us we have to, at some point, charge the batteries with “normal electricity”. When we do this any chance of over unity in the batteries is eliminated. The over unity in the system only works when the batteries are charged only with our fans, and not normal electricity.

Our fans produce a small amount of mechanical power; I managed to get an approximate measurement of 20 to 40% of input power. This can be used to power a small generator and charge a third battery or battery (c).

Now to make up for the losses in the first two fans we need to have an additional two more fans (c and d), approximately 1/10th of the power of the first. These will have to be linked mechanically to the first fans and the phase adjusted to pulse batteries (a) and (b) and powered by battery (c).

At this point we have at worst a self running Bedini system. And at best a system with a COP of 1.1 to 1.2.

If batteries (a) and (b) are conditioned there may be no need for the second smaller fans and the COP would be 1.2 to 1.4. As the COP in batteries (a) and (b) may be more than 1, any excess would have to be periodically drawn off to prevent overcharging.

John Bedini experienced a high COP of above 12 in his batteries so that would mean we would have to draw off a lot of power from these batteries.

Please build this and let me know how you go on.

Sorry i dont know what i was thinking. this would not work it would short out.

I do however think there is merit in a multiple fan design.

If we place transformers between the outputs of the fans and the charging batteries, we are not closing the loop and causing a short, and will be able to feed the output back to the source.

However I do believe that the output of the transformers will be normal electricity and will prevent any overunity in the batteries.

I'm sure that someone must have tried it before but i have never seen it so ill wind some transformers and run a test.

I have run tests on a circuit simulator and it looks promising
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/index.html

import the circuit below and run it and you will see how it works

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you will notice additional resistors and capacitors on the circuit. these are only to make the applet work and not cause an error

The method to feed the output back to the source battery is to use the output of the second fan to power a 1 to 1 transformer and the output of this is then passed through a diode back to battery powering the first fan.

The primary battery will receive a pulse of normal electricity so slowing its discharge. In theory as the secondary battery will only receive ZP energy it should start to perform better and just maybe we will see an overunity effect in it.

thx for the PM Mr. Brown!
I had a very simplistic similar idea before, with switching to "close the loop"
in a sense which would be actually disconnecting a battery from power mode
and alternating between drain and charge mode. The only problem with this
idea, your idea or ANY "loop-closing" is that Bedini states that the radiant charge
is most effective if the battery has a "rest" between radiant charging and normal
electrical current delivery. IMO, I still believe that holding relays and multiple
battery banks could be used, 1 bank in powering mode, up to 4 in radiant charge
mode and one at rest to "assimilate" the radiant charge (if needed). Bedini mostly
uses lead acid batteries, but newer types such as NiMH or LiIon batteries seem to
charge faster and respond better to radiant energy. (my own personal opinion?)

Yes I take your point on the resting. My idea is that we extend the life of the primary with a top up. The secondary will only see radiant charge and a discharge of an eqel amount in between the pulses. hopefully I can get that battery to show a clear gain. The charge discharge cycle is a bit like a Tesla switch and hopefully it will give an advantage. I havent seen any reports of anyone doing this so i thought i would give it a go.

I am winding my own motors now, i use the stator from a washing machine motor. There is space for 12 coils, A set of 4 will act like a fan the next set of four will be the second fan and the last four will act as the transformer. I will start using trifilar wound for the fan coils and bifilar for the transformer coils. Im trying to get the rotor machined for the magnets at the moment. If i used 7 filar wound the wire would have to be so fine that it would be very weak on torque.

My experience with Li ion is not good. I have damaged more than i have charged and had 1 explosion so I leave those alone now

I did have 1 positive experience w/LiIon batts, and that was a stupid pre-paid cell phone
purchase from a gas station. It had a bad battery, and I was able to get it to respond to a short
IRO charge session. It did not even power up the phone, but after about 30 minutes I was able
to get the phone to power up and give me a battery low signal. Perhaps a conservative testing
protocol and a CBA could generate a testing regimen for LiIon batteries?!? I can get the latching
relays pretty cheap here, and send you some if needed Mik... LMK!

PS: If I read you correctly, you have actually achieved measurably OU???

PLEASE LMK!

I got near 1 to 1 charge rate plus the mechanical output of the fan. combined there is a COP of greater than 1. For this to happen there must have been an over unity/negative resistance effect in the charging battery. As a pulse motor of this type would not even turn on 3 to 6% of the input power (3w) then much of that input power must have been turned into mechanical energy.

I could not get an accurate measurement of the motor torque but it was good enough to rum the fan at over 1000rpm.

So i cannot say with absolute certainty but i am convinced it was there.

Once i have completed my new motor it should be powerful enough to get a measurement of torque and then i can get real numbers to back up my belief.

Can someone please tell me ,,,is the needl on a compus pointing north the NORTH POLARITY or the SOUTH, am confused and have built a bedini from scratch with magnets and think I have the wrong polarity facing my coil but am not sure. I am new to this and am slow of mind and body, so things get confusing for me as well as I have little patence with computors. Should have bought my place next to a public library easier to search there. Thanx's Newbee,,,,Ed ie"miloman"